PunkBuster coming to Bad Company 2

War_2g, on jan 14, 2010 - 03:41 , said:

BC2 is turning into a console port more and more. The PC features that define the cod series (minus mw2) are not being added to BC2 (console, mod tools, no public dedi server files) and we are under two months away from launch.

Nothing like using the dev console for a quick "exit" or connect to a server by ip. Also to use rcon commands.

When I played MW2 I really missed the console. I won't be buying BC2 at launch. I will be waiting for gamer reviews first.

First, it's IW that screws up MW2. Now, it's DICE that screws up BFBC2. What's next??

Medal of Honor?

Piggy, on jan 14, 2010 - 04:29 , said:

MP is developed by DICE too

If DICE cared about PC gamers, like they supposedly did when AV/IW screwed up in the first place(and they sure sucked onto the coat-tails of it to begin with) they'd release public server files. Since they do NOT CARE, and are only concerned with the ranking issues of the game, I say who cares?

Really, if this is what it comes down to, with PC-gaming, and what we do for the dev of it. See any modder who has access to mod/dev files for any given game that has them(see MW2 for supreme rip-off's they never accredited the dev comummuity for!?) and so on, and the NF guys think what? They can do this all by themselves?

See the issues that cropped up in the last several versions of any BF series game, even more locked down in more recent versions. This is a plan? A plan for destruction, as far as keeping the game secure, for sure. A plan for making sure that no real dev ever happens to it, to be sure, as well. Best dev comes from the gaming community, not the dev's, themselves. Lock it down, keep it up, and see an end to it. Yes, some might play the game, because it's new, but in the end, you'll suffer your own fate, with all the hacks you allowed in. BF2 is a poster-child of that. You've learned NOTHING, DICE, when it comes to how that end of things works.

Perhaps it's time DICE started re-thinking what is precious, and what is not, but that's just my take. I could care less for a ranking system anyways, it is and always was, the demise of PC-gaming. That won't change. It's an acceptable plat-form to accept the console-based "retards are us" concept into a gaming world where having skill mattered, rather than a level, or points. Anyone that refutes that should go play consoles. No one who is a REAL PC GAMER would give a crap to begin with. Ranking systems killed PC-Gaming back in it's earliest conception, and made it a lot worse as things progressed. It's now in it's final stages.

Death to ranking, or death to PC-Gaming. You have no other choices. Let the ranking be for the console-nubs, they need all the help they can get. Us PC-guys can manage just fine without it. Create something for us that doesn't have the issue, and has more fun involved, with publically available server files, and a reason to contribute to the gaming community, once again.

RW

And the reason for no dev console:

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http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/12375831-post74.html

MaydaX, on jan 14, 2010 - 06:53 , said:

I wonder where we have heard that before...

Made me laugh

Looks like the hackers will make their own "dev console".

BinaryCrash, on jan 17, 2010 - 11:20 , said:

Most likely PB will be used to kick it.

MaydaX, on jan 15, 2010 - 10:02 , said:

Whats this about -No Battle Recorders, as shown in the utube vid in your post? Cant say I've heard this bit of news yet.

buttscratcher, on jan 17, 2010 - 01:05 , said:

Not sure where it was said but there is a post in EA UK about it.

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/866456-put-battlerecorder.html

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http://twitter.com/GordonVanDyke/status/7866541177

That is a very disturbing thought. I can deal w/ alot of the things related to this games release. But w/ an already limited anti cheat service available. No demos to review really bothers me alot. No demo to review to nab glitchers after the fact? No demo to submit to GGC?

This takes what little recourse the individual server renter/admin thought he/she had, and threw it in the trash.

Dont like this news one bit

Another potentially good game that looks awesome that won't see one dime of my money. They keep taking one more thing away that I've always had and used. Here's hoping COD7 from Treyarch isn't a huge debauchery.

RW

Sometimes I feel glad that BF2 and BF2142 were the last EA/DICE games that I put my money on...

Buy EA/DICE game again?

That's a disturbing thought...

K-Boom, not dissing you, but I hope all the rest of the EA/DICE BF-series fans actually put their money where their mouth is. It didn't happen with MW2, and a lot of COD-fans that said they wouldn't buy it, still did so, admitted to it later.

If you're going to speak, speak with the wallet, not an internet voice, first, and then speak later with the internet voice, and speak with the wallet at the same time.

If EA/DICE take a hit on sales, they'll listen.

Same would have happened with IW/Activision if all of those cheese-dicks that posted in the poll/crap=BS thread had not bucked up for the game and they'd lost money to crap-dev on it and not wanting to give PC-gamers what they wanted, maybe, but at least it would have been known, and looked at.

If BF-series fans buy this game, and don't care about anti-cheat, and GGC is still gonna stream this game regardless of it's ability to do more than stream PB-based bans into a ban-list.(Yes you can stream, no, it won't add to your anti-cheat abilities, the fine-print GGC did not include) Without the ability to trouble-shoot, and actually work the development ends of things, streaming is worthless to begin with. Who cares if you can stream? Streaming without dev is nothing, useless, and not gonna add to a damned thing, anywhere, you'll just get streamed information about the things pb itself detects and waste actual server band-width for no reason at all.

Can't define MD5 checks without dev, can't define what's a server file MD5 from a fictional one, for example. Most cheats get installed in the game directory, and if you can't check them vs server files, no such checks can legitimately be added. Streaming a game becomes a waste of bandwidth for any anti-cheat community unless they're just ban-happy and want numbers.

I do like GGC, really, but I can't agree with their stance on this new game. I would say the same for any anti-cheat site that wants to run an integral anti-cheat stance on a new game, including PBBans, if we were to choose to stream it, without the ability to do so properly.

What EA/Dice have done with BF-series games is effectively make themselves naked to cheaters, and cut themselves off from any help they could have gotten from others who were willing to help, and sadly, all for the sake of their stupid ranking system.

I hope they enjoy the new game, once it's hacked, and turns into the paranoia-fest that the previous games have.

You'll notice that players of games such as COD4 and any other engine don't have quite the same..... We have demo's, and the ability to work with a CONSOLE and other tools available to us because the ranking system, if there is one, is client-sided only, and not related to the game in any other way. Ranking was stupid to begin with.

My take on it, perhaps I was a bit blunt, and sorry if I offended anyone. Just my take on the issue. I did not mean to offend BF-series fans, at all. I am perhaps one to simply call what I see, and perhaps that's why I stuck with Q3-engine games.

RW

RoadWarrior, on jan 14, 2010 - 05:15 , said:

That's a good statement RW, I'd prefer no ranking system at all, we never used to have it but it seems to be the 'wanted' thing at the moment. I suppose it gives players the illusion that rank actually means they must be a good player because they're high ranked, I just prefer the older games, no ranking sytem just a leaderboard for that particular game.

RoadWarrior, on jan 18, 2010 - 04:31 , said:

I may be wrong here but the cheating seems to have increased ten-fold since this ranking system was brought in, these cheaters are always looking for new ways to 'beat the system', while I agree that PB isn't perfect and never has been I'd prefer to play on streaming servers than non-streaming and I can say that with all honesty, as a former SGA here, who had a cheater caught on my own server when I was in work and had I not been streaming here I wouldn't have even known that he was cheating.

With regards to IW and MW2, I did speak with my wallet, I never bought the game and have no intention of, if Dice are taking the same route as IW then that's fine by me, my money stays in my pocket.

Yeah RW. Unfortunately most people go on the wave and hype of a new BF-series game and will buy it.

Knowing the history of problems, and "great support" by EA/DICE for BF2 and BF2142.
Instead of making the game/software better, they are cutting out the parts that they can't fix?
Not releasing the game server files won't stop cheating and people discovering bugs, exploits and security flaws. I'm quite sure the hack coders liked this news.

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Same here mate, if the game is a step backwards (like MW2) then the developers won't see a penny of my cash. Was quite awkward at Christmas when I had to tell the wife to send back the copy of MW2 she bought me but I stand by my word. I said I would boycott it and I still am.

If Dice choose to shaft their consumer base like IW did, which is a shame as this was the next game for my squad after the epic fail of MW2, then so be it. They won't be seeing any of my money either, there is still life in COD4 yet and I will be quite happy to keep playing it until a decent game with all the features we are accustomed to is released.

This is one consumer who won't pay full price for crappy console ports or games that remove tried and trusted features that we have used for years.

Slaine, on jan 18, 2010 - 03:41 , said:

+1

I no longer play COD4, just no fun for me anymore, but I would quite happily wait for the next game that has all the features we've come to 'expect' in a PC game.

I really hope the new MOH does not take the same route though as that looks awesome.