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PBBans Lite Streaming now available

Started by MaydaX, Jun 28 2012 01:17 PM

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#41 Lluuu

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Posted Aug 13, 2012 - 12:29 PM

Nobody is being punished, all actions that have been taken in the course of events over the years have always been in the best interest of helping and protecting the SGAs as well as PBBans. So far, apart from a few different points of view (such as you can read here: http://www.pbbans.com/forums/pbbans-being-strict-t154053.html), everybody who wanted to benefit from streaming and at the same time have the ability to look up players as well as use various other tools PBBans provides, put in a little bit of effort and met the streaming requirements. The streaming requirements are there for a reason (follow up on that here: http://www.pbbans.com/forums/streaming-requirements-t147669.html).
Always keep in mind that PBBans and streaming isn't mandatory, everybody has to make their own decision if they want to use it or not. As you put it -

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People that are here want to be here and, WANT the streaming and everything that it is capable of doing
and from what I've seen so far, the little bit of effort that's neccessary to meet the requirements is well worth what you get in return - as you can gather from various forum posts :)

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Posted Aug 13, 2012 - 12:37 PM

@DSPSyon
I can not believe I am having to explain things to someone who has been around as long as you have but here goes.
You have been streaming servers since April 2008 so you should be aware of just why the requirements for streaming were tightened up.
Since the requirements were introduced in 2008 we have not been hit with mass faked bans again.
The main thing we want to keep intact is banlist integrity .. having the requirements in place goes a long way to us achieving that.

The Lite streaming catches go on an unofficial banlist that our admins have the choice of enforcing or not.
So if ever a mass fake ban wave hits us through a Lite streaming server, the main MBI integrity is kept intact.

If you think your being "punished" feel free to switch to Lite streaming.

Here is some light reading for you;
http://www.pbbans.com/forums/pbbans-recent-events-t64420.html
http://www.pbbans.com/forums/streaming-requirements-t147669.html

We think the Lite streaming option and the restrictions a Lite streaming admin has imposed, when compared to full streaming admins like yourself is a decent compromise

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Posted Aug 13, 2012 - 02:47 PM

@DSPSyon
I can give you so many examples on this one.

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I mean, let's face it, you are going to stream your server if you have hacks and cheats in your clan?

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Posted Aug 13, 2012 - 06:45 PM

@Lluuu:
Perhaps " Punished " was the wrong word. ;)

@fozzer:Don't get so defensive, it's a chat so relax. I have been streaming this clans servers since then, I have been around far longer than that I assure you.

The issue that I have is, why do the lite at all, it just makes the admins have to make a decision on whether or not a ban is processed. You guys are doing that on standard bans already. If people are going to want to use the service, they will get the requirements in line and use it then.

" Oh sorry, you don't meet the requirements, but here, here is a lighter service you can use that will help you", Doing for those that didn't want to meet the requirements in the first place is commendable, but let's face it, if there are those out there that are streaming and hiding their hackers, it would have probably been better to work on a method of closing shop on them than giving more to a Lite Service.

At this point, it makes Pbbans look exactly as GGC (or rather members at GGC) are calling it. Bullshit. Not my thoughts, just saying, that is what is being said. The LIte streaming came up as a marketable idea because they (GGC) allow you to stream with them with less strict requirements.

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Posted Aug 13, 2012 - 08:05 PM

The Lite streaming option, amongst other things, gives server admins a perfect opportunity to take a look see before committing to full streaming.
We can give reticent admins a streaming option and at the same time keep the integrity of the MBI intact.
Members at GGC can say what they want, but it's not PBBans that has been hit repeatedly with mass fake bans since 2008 is it.
People in glass houses and all that .. and I have been around here a long time too btw :P

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Posted Aug 13, 2012 - 08:38 PM

View Postfozzer, on Aug 13, 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Members at GGC can say what they want, but it's not PBBans that has been hit repeatedly with mass fake bans since 2008 is it.
People in glass houses and all that .. and I have been around here a long time too btw :P

Add to that a simple google search of "The Unerring Punkbuster season 3"

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We are bringing back the unerring of punkbuster back for a 3rd season. We have selected ggc-stream as the target since they have the most streaming bf3 servers and makes it very easy to add fake bans.

In 2011 we hit them with a mass ban wave and now were are banning real players from battlelog while ggc-stream is totally unaware. We have framed 150+ bf3 players alone.

We even hit them a few days ago with another mass wave of bans.

Caused quite the stir for EA if I recall.

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Posted Aug 14, 2012 - 03:06 AM

View PostDSPSysop, on Aug 13, 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

At this point, it makes Pbbans look exactly as GGC (or rather members at GGC) are calling it. Bullshit. Not my thoughts, just saying, that is what is being said. The LIte streaming came up as a marketable idea because they (GGC) allow you to stream with them with less strict requirements.

I think those members should maybe look at their own houses before getting involved in what occurs here :) We have repeatedly said data from lite streamers is not added to the MPI. New bans from those servers are added to an unofficial ban list which people can either enforce or not. That said, we do run checks even on those who decide lite streaming is the way to go. Something i am sure still doesn't occur for full streaming functions elsewhere.

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Posted Aug 15, 2012 - 05:59 PM

Everyone has the right to the protection of PBbans,

If you look at most of the denials is member list, or web pages,

The security system is maintained in a safe corner, giving you the option of keeping their Pbbans secure server, why deny it?

PBBans is a community Anti-cheat, it does ....

for comparison with GGC? , An independent community, which has nothing to do with PBbans, and the fight Cheater part, not about which is which,

without entering into comparisons, each community on its website, and not let more fuel to the fire

Respect is a right, not an option , is not it?

PBbans always acted and has proven to be responsible, always protecting the innocent and punish the guilty ....

Pbbans to always proved to be great, not by the amount of Ban, or Server, for being particularly safe

No doubt in PBbans, and my support 100%

I am proud, to transmit PBbans,

who does not?

For that deny protection to another admin?

Sorry for my bad english

regard.

Edited by david2003, Aug 15, 2012 - 06:08 PM.

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Posted Oct 21, 2012 - 01:35 PM

View PostMaydaX, on Jun 28, 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

- Player data from servers are not entered into the Master Player Index (MPi).
- New bans are entered into the Unofficial MBi. There are also no ban announcements for any ban added to the Unofficial MBi.
- No PBSS or Demo submissions.
- Streaming Lite Admins have limited access to the Master Player Index (MPi).
- Streaming Lite Admins do not have access to the same forum areas as Streaming Admins.
My question here is about PBSS and lite servers/streamers.

If an account is Lite and is lite streaming to PBBans. Any hacker caught PunkBuster violation will be added to the uMBi correct?

But what about PBSS, I understand that lite PBSS can't be added to the MBi. But couldn't they be added to the uMBi instead?

Edited by Singh400, Oct 21, 2012 - 01:37 PM.

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Posted Oct 22, 2012 - 12:16 PM

WIll look into it

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Posted Nov 9, 2012 - 10:18 AM

View PostMaydaX, on Oct 22, 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

WIll look into it
Any more thoughts on this? I've come across several PBSS's that show ESPs. The servers in question do streaming to PBBans but are only Lite.

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Posted Nov 9, 2012 - 12:54 PM

I think they should be added to the MBI if its a proven untamperd image and the logs are there for it.

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Posted Nov 12, 2012 - 08:09 AM

What if i cant meet the requirements for lite .. Mailny the Please use a non-free email address such as a clan email. Main reason i cant get a Full streaming account is that we dont ahve a clan website or a Roster . For lite it requires a Non free Email .. I have only 2 Email addressess and they are at Gmail and Hotmail . Does that mean i wont be able to apply for either Streaming . Thx

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Posted Nov 12, 2012 - 08:14 AM

Cancel that last Post Iv just realised i have an Email address with my ISP. Sorry

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Posted Nov 17, 2012 - 11:09 AM

View PostSingh400, on Nov 9, 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

Any more thoughts on this? I've come across several PBSS's that show ESPs. The servers in question do streaming to PBBans but are only Lite.

Bumping this up, I've come across the same. Server is Lite Streaming, and has PBSS's showing ESP. Any more thought put into this?
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