PBBans

To make it short: You think every server and every person is a bad one until you checked some points (which can also be faked). We trust our users until we've found negative evidence (even before they start streaming).

There are always pros and cons and our attitudes won't change. All I ask for is respect and fairness.

 HappyHarry, on Jan 5, 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

When dealing with the public you have to in order to protect yourself. Better to be cautious and try to prevent false data from being streamed than to allow it and not be able to find it later. If streaming was completely secure then yes we could allow anyone to stream. However in the real world that simply doesn't happen.

Just as banks don't just give out mortgages, loans or credit cards without doing a credit check on the person first. Same idea. It's too late when the person is long gone or can't pay the money back.

Hell even EA trusted the RSP system and included debugger files in the BC2 / BF3 server files which got leaked to the public. After that It's too late because those files are then used to help make cheats for those games.

 HappyHarry, on Jan 5, 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

I've read that there is a mountain range hidden in the Netherlands

Here is something else I read;

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and here is what happened as a result;

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Does that look like cooperation toward a common goal ?
Is that showing respect and fairness ?

I will continue to point out the proven facts whenever I am asked, as opposed to something I read somewhere .. especially on our own forums.
Like I posted earlier, you can not defend the indefensible.

 fozzer, on Jan 5, 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

One proof for that is the past wave of fake bans.

 fozzer, on Jan 5, 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

http://www.ggc-stream.com/news/124/PBBans+cancels+Partnership+with+GGC

 HappyHarry, on Jan 5, 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

Think that has been established many times now in this topic alone. Specifically a mass wave of them.

PBBans in 2008
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downloads: 37

GGC in 2011
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downloads: 36  10g0g03.png (192.99K)
downloads: 32

Was nothing against anyone just used as examples for the main reason for our strict requirements which answered the OP question. Those mass spoofing events happened, it's fact and is the reason for our requirements. So can we all just move along instead of repeating the same points over and over.

 HappyHarry, on Jan 5, 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

What about it? I mean we could do point, counter-point, but what does it actually achieve?

You quoted those sentences again which were already discussed...

We can't and won't accept unproven allegations in public. You don't know our system in detail, so please don't tell people stuff you aren't familiar with. This is the only reason why I answered to this post. We respect you and your work, but you have to accept others, too, even if you don't agree with their attitude.

Unproven ?

Keep posting HappyHarry, I'm sure a lot of folks reading this are becoming enlightened and will make their own decisions on what's proven or not.

to resolve this... I propose Everyone Needs to Send a Copy of there Drivers License / Government Issued ID so if you cheat we know where to come to Beat you...

true story , just saying ..

But as a "retired staff member" here at PBBans and Mywonclan I do have to say the current Policies set on the site are NOT strict at all, 'other' providers ask for the same things as PBBans, and for those other providers that don't ask for certain criteria I would find a bit sketchy.

All of these Policies are here to protect the Server Admins / Players and PBBans Reputation, the staff members are trying to do YOU a service so instead of complaining about how strict they are maybe try jumping in there shoes and understanding where their point of view is coming from.

also I should state it really isn't that hard to setup a "free" website if thats your main concern..
You're lucky that PBBans isn't so anal that they require my proposed Actual Government Issued ID to stream haha

Can you cut the crap Harry and stop trying to shit on PBBans every chance you get? You agree to disagree we get it, lets keep this dick waving contest to a PM and off the public forums please.

thats what happens if someone thinks it was a good idea to listen to cheat site-vips/staff etc. personnel what could be done against their exploits "Oh, nothing? Too bad" instead of keeping them outdoors on policy and beforehand where ever possible. That is their choice. My choice at this point is, i quit taking anything seriously what comes from a source considering that a policy suitable for AC .



BTW: Still encouraging to stream Home-Servers to pimp up numbers? Or EA/Dice fixed that misconception accidentally?

 fozzer, on Jan 5, 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

Gladly they think about it as this thread shows. Anyway, we'll still suggest multi streaming to get a max of security for our admins. Our name stands for working together instead of fighting against each other. Sadly not everyone shares this attitude.

@Piggy

All we want is a neutral base for the community with legit arguments. It's not us who's continuously throwing dirt in public but sadly reacting like this is the only way to set things right. I would prefer different ways, too.

In the interest of "working together against cheaters" then could I suggest that you run full background checks on all of your commentators on the GGC "PBBans cancels Partnership with GGC" announcement thread.

Atleast one of them has an EvenBalance violation and one of them is associated with a well known cheat site, oh and they're streamers at GGC! *facepalm*

We don't block users with a banned GUID cause they need to be able to appeal their ban or add information to their ticket. If you are sure about your accusations and you have evidence (although you are only able to see a name similar to a known cheater), why didn't you contact us in the interest of "working together"? I'll stop posting now, cause we made our point of view / request clear and secondly I'm not here to discuss things over and over again.

Take the tip and utilize it or not. A simple tip off should be enough for you to act and investigate, another area we appear to be more proactive in based on your response - if you determine that no action needs to be taken, as per your own policies, then don't take any but atleast investigate!

All I'm highlighting is clear flaws in your "quality checking" and your system, it's constructive criticism - you've come here and repeatedly posted responses "defending" the GGC position in response to "attacks". Whereas all we've done is post facts, which I've already said are not "attacks".

The fact that you have an individual, with very deep ties as a member of staff at a well known cheat site is worrying in itself: an individual which actively interacts at GGC and utilizes services - thus making your system extremely high risk.

We've tried with GGC in the past, we really have - the "partnership" didn't end for no reason: http://www.pbbans.com/forums/clearing-the-air-t147568.html issues which GGC still refuse to acknowledge and accept today: http://www.ggc-stream.com/news/124/PBBans+cancels+Partnership+with+GGC

Similarly I think we've made our point - many posts ago in fact.

Requesting topic lock, I think this has gone on long enough.

A topic lock achieves nothing but gives the impression that PBBans isn't prepared to defend it's very valid viewpoints within it's own community.

In IRC yesterday it was discussed that had this topic have been posted over at GGC it would have been locked or deleted long before now. This topic isn't personal, it's factual and therefore has no reason to be locked - if there was flaming or heatedness then it'd be a different story.

If GGC wishes to enter a behind closed doors discussion with us then they are welcome to do so, however, when statements are made in public they deserve responses not censorship and avoidance which goes against a PBBans key objective of transparency.

 HappyHarry, on Jan 6, 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

*high five*

IMO i think PBBANS is better ogranization That i have kwen until now...So GGC stream Staff and theirs system have to stop to discuss all around this ! I'm bored to read thats inclonclusive opinion and topic !

Let work PBBANS staff without any comment, please stop here an inconclusive discussion.

Go Go Pbbans ! You are on the right road !!

It would be nice if PBBans went a more technical route with partnering up with gameserver hosts rather than put the heat on gamers just trying to support the anti-cheat community by streaming their servers through every anti-cheat service there is. PsB and GGC understand this and I like their consideration.

PBBans I will always want my servers streaming here but I can't take the little stuff that prevent me from streaming here like create an entire clan just to go out my way of gaming to come back in my way of gaming to stream my competition servers with PBBans.

Just to be clear, I like the general effort of minimizing cheaters but I think it should go through a more technical route as I said, rather than put the heat on little simple things like make a forum you don't even have admin rights to.